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Citation #34 is not accessible/error in syntax

Some editorial error in citation #34. Either fix that error or remove the section that's supposed to be backed by it. TruthBeforePolity (talk) 14:45, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Not sure which version you are referring to, however, this version seem to have no more errors in citations. Thanks for the note — DaxServer (t · m · c) 17:14, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 March 2022 (4)

I'd like to add review from sites like IMDb. Aum More (talk) 12:25, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: IMDb is user generated, and not a reliable source. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:28, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

IMDb is not reliable source as per wikipedia. Dsnb07 (talk) 15:03, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Not done: we can't add IMDB review. Dsnb07 (talk) 15:03, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Removing NOTAFORUM and duplicate requests

Any objection to removing the clear WP:NOTAFORUM comments and requests, as well as the duplicate requests and blank requests? Hopefully that will allow actual constructive conversations to develop. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:57, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Nope — DaxServer (t · c · m) 22:06, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Misperception in mention of Article 370 in this page.

The article states The Article 370 of the Constitution that granted a nominally autonomous status to Jammu and Kashmir, is named as one of the reasons for the displacement of the Kashmiri Pandits source given by editor it

• Misrepresentation 1 : Mention of nominally
  • Source nowhere says 370 is nominal
  • In truth - Article 370 was titled as "Temporary, Transitional and Special Provisions".

Dsnb07 (talk) 02:38, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Do you see the Article 370 page being linked? Please go and read that. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 03:38, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

I humbly request you remove unsourced word nominally. That is the gross misrepresentation of source. Dsnb07 (talk) 03:56, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy WP:Verifiability. And we expect that the editors will have a certain level of competence to check if something is verifiable. Every word and every fact in a complicated history of 70 years cannot be reduced to individual sources. You need to be able to go read stuff and understand.

In any case, here is a source that uses the exact same terminology [1]. I am not going to engage with you further, while continue to produce endless lists of bad faith arguments and complaints. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 04:11, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

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Notes misrepresents data from source given by editor

Notes reads : 89 Hindus were killed by militants between 1990 and 2021, while 1,724 people of other faiths (mainly Muslims) were killed during the same period
Source reads : 89 Kashmiri Pandits, 1,635 people of other faiths were also killed during the same period.

• Misrepresentation 1  : 89 Hindus (Notes) Vs 89 Kashmiri Pandits(Source)
  • Notes assume there was no Hindu apart from Kashmiri Pandits.
• Misrepresentation 2  : 1,635 people of other faiths (Notes) vs 1,724 people of other faiths (Source)
  • Notes changes numbers.
• Misrepresentation 3  : Notes says (mainly Muslims)
  • (Nowhere in source it says mainly Muslims). Also here, other faiths may include Hindus who are not Kashmiri Pandits.

Dsnb07 (talk) 22:49, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Elaborating more on what notes says "1990 and 2021...............other faiths (mainly Muslims)"

Other faith may include Sikhs, Christens and non-Pundit Hindus. Dsnb07 (talk) 22:57, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Shahid , Dhawangupta, RegentsPark I request you to take note of this. Dsnb07 (talk) 23:06, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done Thanks! — DaxServer (t · c · m) 23:09, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks DaxServer, I humbly request you to correct the line where the note was referenced i.e. The film focuses exclusively on the killings of Kashmiri Hindus in 1990 and afterwards whereas Kashmiri Muslims were also killed during the insurgency (in greater numbers in fact). Dsnb07 (talk) 23:22, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, 1,635 is the number of "other faiths" and 1,724 is the total number. I seem to have miswritten the original note.

There are no Kashmiri Hindus other than Pandits. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 00:09, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Please give source for your claim "There are no Kashmiri Hindus other than Pandits."?

• Here links talk about Dalit/SC/ST/OBC in Kashmir. Link 1: Link 2: 7% DalitsLink3.
• List of Scheduled Castes in Jammu and Kashmir

Dsnb07 (talk) 01:32, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Prior to the advent and spread of Islam in Kashmir from the fourteenth century onwards, a number of different Hindu castes existed. ... Following the spread of Islam, the Brahmins remained the only Hindus in the valley.

-- Kautilya3 (talk) 03:35, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

The link which I provided is of post 1947 and as recent as 2001. Dsnb07 (talk) 04:11, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

The links you've provided are about the entire state of Jammu & Kashmir and not just the Kashmir Valley. Jammu is predominantly Hindu and has a significant non-Brahmin population. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 10:38, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

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Critic Narendra Modi

Modi's statement need to be moved elsewhere — a section on political reception (?) where tax-benefits can be discussed too. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:27, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

I've moved it out of the section to a new section on the government endorsements. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 11:14, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tayi Arajakate Looking at the NDTV and BBC links, Modi didn't seem to insist on "great" conspiracy? — DaxServer (t · m · c) 11:32, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, you're right. I have removed it now. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 11:41, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

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Government support : Really ? NOPV is a Causality here

Now, we have another section apart from Political messaging and historicalaccuracy) which is not adhering to wiki:NOPV.

Let me point out a few things here -

• Oppositions Party support - There are opposition leaders who has supported the Film and asked for tax free status one such example is prime opposition party Congress's senior leader Bhupesh Baghel ( also Chief Minister of Chhattisgarh) Source
• Does tax free means support? - India has long history of making film tax free based various reasons. source 1 2 3 4

Dsnb07 (talk) 22:32, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Revert - Film Companion

• Please point to the consensus wherein Film Companion was deprecated as a source. (It was spam-blacklisted due to seeding spam and whitelisting requests are routinely allowed. ICTF says, Individual articles by independently notable critics can be whitelisted.
• Pinkvilla is a reliable source esp. per ICTF. To override a project consensus, you need to use RSN. Your personal preferences are immaterial.
• The unreliability of the particular India Today review has been discussed at talk-page and it is disingenuous to not participate in the discussion but restore it.
• It is ridiculous to claim that RT is an American website and that their bestowal of honors on particular film-critics is immaterial for Indian context. That being said, I am willing to concede as long as the second section starts with Gupta. TrangaBellam (talk) 03:32, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

  Nice to see you but how is that orig. research? Check this list. Thanks. TrangaBellam (talk) 05:21, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

  Couldn't find the source mentioning her to be a top RT critic Akshaypatill (talk) 05:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)05:26, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, hadn't seen it. Reverted. Akshaypatill (talk) 05:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

No issues - I should have provided it as a citation. TrangaBellam (talk) 05:47, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force has blacklisted Film Companion and its should not be added as source. Dsnb07 (talk) 05:42, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Are you having issues in comprehending basic English? The project did not blacklist it for quality issues; rather spam-patrollers did due to seeding spam. It explicitly allows whitelisting for reviews by indep. notable critics like Desai is. TrangaBellam (talk) 05:55, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Dsnb07, I have allowed you (or any other editor) to remove Gupta's RT qualifier as long as the second section (of largely negative reviews) starts with her. Please do not post the same message at multiple sections. Thanks, TrangaBellam (talk) 06:17, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

You have imposed your privilege by saying "I have allowed you (or any other editor) to remove Gupta's RT". I thought wikipedia is community just realize you've stacked claim on ownership of wiki. Not a way to build consensus. Sad state of discussion. Dsnb07 (talk) 06:20, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made and establish a consensus. Dsnb07 (talk) 06:22, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Whitelisting link

@TrangaBellam Did you file for an exception for the FilmCompanion URL to be whitelisted? (cc @Skyerise @TheChunky) — DaxServer (t · m · c) 23:14, 16 March 2022 (UTC) (merged with existing section — DaxServer (t · m · c) 23:31, 16 March 2022 (UTC))

I've done that now. Hemantha (talk) 03:50, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

@DaxServer Consult this thread; equivalent since nobody except them processes whitelisting requests. TrangaBellam (talk) 14:53, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Wow, thanks. Looks like there’ll be a backlog for sometime.. DaxServerOnMobile (talk) 15:03, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

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Film Companion is a reliable source per WT:ICTF. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:21, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Multiple BJP "controlled" states - really?

Article in political section says It was declared tax-free in multiple BJP controlled states. India is the largest democracy which is governed by an electorally selected government. Please remove controlled and use governed.

Dsnb07 (talk) 01:24, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Subscribed, leftovers as well.भास्कर् Bhagawati संवाद 05:04, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done as its reasonable — DaxServer (t · m · c) 08:38, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

References

This reports that the Deputy CM of Maharashtra stated that if the Central GST is waived, it will become tax free all over India.-27.7.11.53 (talk) 05:35, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Bhaskarbhagawati, you can probably add what I pointed out above (that the Deputy CM of Maharashtra stated that if the Central GST is waived, it will become tax free all over India), as well as make the change as requested by Dsnb07 (it is in the, "BJP support" section).- 27.7.11.53 (talk) 05:46, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Already mentioned (check link below). It was added to article and then removed. (log)

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Kashmir_Files#%22Other_support%22_NOPV_issue
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Kashmir_Files#Government_support_:_Really_?_NOPV_is_a_Causality_here Dsnb07 (talk) 06:12, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Gratitude to @DaxServer:, @27.7.11.53: acknowledge @Dsnb07:, WP:DISRUPTIVE_EDITING is underway (see edit revert patterns).भास्कर् Bhagawati संवाद 10:50, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Pleasure, @Bhaskarbhagawati. And what do you mean by disruptive editing, any diffs? I don't see any disruptive editing in the government support section. — DaxServer (t · m · c) 11:00, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Will log diffs shortly.भास्कर् Bhagawati संवाद 11:12, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 March 2022 (2)

Please change 'A student of ANU,[a] Krishna' to 'A student of JNU,[a] Krishna' Codestellar (talk) 19:55, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: It was set properly. The explanation was set in the footnote followed it. — DaxServer (t · m · c) 20:06, 17 March 2022 (UTC)