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== Indefinite anonymity ==
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As far as I'm aware, the wikipedia policy on names and pronouns for transgender people is to go with what they themselves say to use. Does this extend to criminals or not? There are a lot of news reports saying Huntley prefers "Lian" and "she" pronouns:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/15/call-lian-child-killer-ian-huntley-has-told-inmates-call-feminine/ [[User:Wikiditm|Wikiditm]] ([[User talk:Wikiditm|talk]]) 09:51, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
:Criminals are humans too. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 09:58, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
::There has been a marathon length debate about this at [[Chelsea Manning]]. If a person is widely known under a particular name before transitioning, it cannot be hidden per [[WP:NOTCENSORED]]. This would apply to Ian Huntley. Also, the Telegraph cite above is based on a story in The Sun [https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2866040/child-killer-ian-huntley-tells-lags-to-call-him-female-version-of-his-name-ian-as-make-up-frankland-prison/], so it has sourcing problems.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 13:46, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
:::Yes definitely don't hide the previous name, but the Chelsea Manning article consistently uses "she" pronouns and the name Chelsea, including when referring to times before she was known as Chelsea. Should we do the same here?[[User:Wikiditm|Wikiditm]] ([[User talk:Wikiditm|talk]]) 21:54, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
::::According to more recent news reports in December 2018, Huntley is now asking to be called "Nicola", but "It is thought that Huntley has not yet made an official request for the sex change". (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ian-huntley-demands-sex-change-13708814) Subject to further developments, I think it would be premature to make changes to the article at this time. [[User:Blurryman|Blurryman]] ([[User talk:Blurryman|talk]]) 00:19, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
:::::Got you. This makes sense. Looks like the situation is one where we will change if it becomes clearer that there is some preferred name other than Ian, but at the moment that clarity just isn't there.[[User:Wikiditm|Wikiditm]] ([[User talk:Wikiditm|talk]]) 20:09, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
:It was apparently a lie made up by the press - and one newspaper printed a "clarification" about it today [https://twitter.com/CaseyExplosion/status/1094934111419056128]. --[[User:Wickedterrier|Wickedterrier]] ([[User talk:Wickedterrier|talk]]) 14:01, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
::I was just coming back to post this. In case future editors want to change the name, pronouns, etc. The story I linked to above is definitely false. [[User:Wikiditm|Wikiditm]] ([[User talk:Wikiditm|talk]]) 08:37, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
::Thanks, this is why there is the [[WP:BLPSOURCES]] policy. If it is only found in the UK red top tabloids, it carries a tag marked "is this really true?"--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 15:06, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
==Dubious assertion==
I have tagged as dubious the reference used to support the assertion that ‘The Bichard enquiry recommended the implementation of a mandatory registration scheme for people working with children and vulnerable adults’. I’m pretty sure Bichard did no such thing. He def recommended improvements but nothing of the scope of the current implementation. Any comments? [[User:Fob.schools|Fob.schools]] ([[User talk:Fob.schools|talk]]) 08:00, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
: May need restructuring and adjusting. As per the contents [https://dera.ioe.ac.uk/6394/1/report.pdf the contents] around page nine to fifteen here.--[[User:Kieronoldham|Kieronoldham]] ([[User talk:Kieronoldham|talk]]) 00:21, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
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