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::::::::Right, but we're not "making it a fact", this is just changing "Ukraine claimed x" to "Ukraine stated their forces had done x", based off the support from sources treating the claim as a fact; if many sources are saying in their own voice that it was shot down and there's footage showing it not being in the air, (and unable to go back in the air any time soon) I don't see a problem with not just saying "Ukraine claimed x". [[User:Flemmish Nietzsche|Flemmish Nietzsche]] ([[User talk:Flemmish Nietzsche|talk]]) 14:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::What is the difference, other than adding more characters? I do not think we need to change the wording, and that is my last comment untill I say I have changed my mind. [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 14:36, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Who elected You president of Planet Earth??! [[Special:Contributions/188.114.165.82|188.114.165.82]] ([[User talk:188.114.165.82|talk]]) 18:07, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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