Yeah you got it in one.
I’ve been trying not to get too fighty about it so thank you for giving me the excuse to talk about it neutrally and not while arguing with someone.
Firefox sits in such an awful place when it comes to how people who understand technology at varying levels interact with it.
On one very extreme end you’ve got people who are pissed that Firefox won’t let you install known malicious extensions because that’s too controlling of the user experience; these are also the people who tend to say that firefox might as well be spyware because they are paid by google to have google as the default search engine for the browser.
In the middle you’ve got a bunch of people who know a little bit about technology - enough to know that they should be suspicious of it - but who are only passingly familiar with stuff like “internet protocols” and “security certificates” and “legal liability” who see every change that isn’t explicitly about data anonymization as a threat that needs to be killed with fire. These are the people who tend not to know that you can change the data collection settings in Firefox.
And on the other extreme you’ve got people who are pretty sure that firefox is a witch and that you’re going to get a virus if you download a browser that isn’t chrome so they won’t touch Firefox with a ten foot pole.
And it’s just kind of exhausting. It reminds me of when you’ve got people who get more mad at queer creators for inelegantly supporting a cause than they are at blatant homophobes. Like, yeah, you focus on the people whose minds you can change, and Firefox is certainly more responsive to user feedback than Chrome, but also getting you to legally agree that you won’t sue Firefox for temporarily storing a photo you’re uploading isn’t a sign that Firefox sold out and is collecting all your data to feed to whichever LLM is currently supposed to be pouring the most bottles of water into landfills before pissing in the plastic bottle and putting the plastic bottle full of urine in the landfill.
The post I keep seeing (and it’s not one post, i’ve seen this in youtube comment sections and on discord and on tumblr) is:
Well-meaning person who has gotten the wrong end of the stick: This is it, go switch to sanguinetapir now, firefox has gone to the dark side and is selling your data. [Link to *an internet comment section* and/or redditor reactions as evidence of wrongdoing].
Response: I think you may be misreading the statements here, there’s been an update about this and everything.
Well-meaning (and deeply annoying) person who has gotten the wrong end of the stick: If you’d read the link you’d see that actually no I didn’t misinterpret this, as evidenced by the dozens of commenters on this other site who are misinterpreting the ToU the same way that I am, but more snarkily.
Bud.
Anyway the consensus from the actual security nerds is “jesus fucking christ we carry GPS locators in our pockets all goddamned day and there are cameras everywhere and there is a long-lasting global push to erode the right to encrypt your data and facebook is creating tracking accounts for people who don’t even have a facebook and they are giving data about abortion travel to the goddamned police state” and they could not be reached for comment about whether Firefox is bad now, actually, because they collect anonymized data about the people who use pocket.
My response is that there is a simple fix for all of this and it is to walk into the sea.
(I am not worried about the updated firefox ToU, I personally have a fair amount of data collection enabled on my browser because I do actually want crash reports to go to firefox when my browser crashes; however i’m not actually all that worried about firefox collecting, like, ad data on me because I haven’t seen an ad in ten years and if one popped up on my browser i’d smash my screen with a stand mixer - I don’t care about location data either because turning on location on your devices is for suckers but also *the way the internet works means unless you’re using a traffic anonymizer at all times your browser/isp/websites you connect to/vpn/what fucking ever know where you are because of the IP address that they *have* to be able to see to deliver the internet to you and that is, generally speaking, logged as a matter of course by the systems that interact with it*)
Anyway if you’re worried about firefox collecting your data you should ABSOLUTELY NOT BE ON DISCORD OR YOUTUBE and if you are on either of those things you should 100% be using them in a browser instead of an app and i don’t particularly care if that browser is firefox or tonsilferret but it should be one with an extension that allows you to choose what data gets shared with the sites it interacts with.
