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Soyombo Specifications

According to website of Mongolian Agency for Standards and Metrology (attached photo) , all details of the Soyombo are specified, except heads of the flame. It mentions only the main circles (one major and two minors) - Lin Kuei Warriors - 09:55, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Someone has estimated the flame measurements in the post here. HapHaxion _{(talk / contribs)} 17:17, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

the estimation has been discussed with him, because the middle flame head doesn't reach the top construction, as sample, so the constructors in Mongolia must specify it (UTC) (talk) 05:35, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Colors

What kind of colours are these? Is this a joke? - Quistnix 21:24, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Nope. ¦ Reisio 21:58, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Good. I wasn't laughing. When will the right colours be restored? - Quistnix 20:20, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Uhm... What's incorrect about them? —Nightstallion (?) 20:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

No, I mean I'm pretty sure these are the right colors - what makes you think they aren't? ¦ Reisio 20:51, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Mongolia shares a cultural history with China. In Chinese culture, the colour "blue" refers to a greenish blue. It may also refer to green, or blue, but rarely to the bright blue in the image. When looking at other pictures of the Mongolian flag, this one seems to bee much too blue - Quistnix 18:53, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Well check out the flag/colors at http://www.open-government.mn/ (good one: http://www.open-government.mn/image/C.Elbegdorzh.jpg). ¦ Reisio 22:40, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Colors redux

Why was my update on the colours reverted? I was asked to see the discussion, but there is nothing here about why the tones should be exactly as they are now. FOTW doesn't say anything about the shades either. I found the tones I used from the official website of the Parliament of Mongolia, though not directly described there, but used in various graphical pictures, as I had explained at the description page. If you look at this picture, you can see that the blue is closer to 'sky blue' than #0000FF. Also, the red is close to what I used rather than #FF0000. If we want to avoid edit wars, we should avoid rushed reverts. Now I mostly feel like it's no use trying to make improvements to the flags since they will probably be reverted by anyone, anytime, without explanation. –Vzb83 21:22, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

The picture you've linked and the one I linked both look closer to the brighter colors to me, not the darker, less saturated ones you'd uploaded.

I think in general it's a bad idea to take one color from one site, another from another site, and determine another just by deciding a color should be darker (or because it's used in many other flags). Sampling from JPEG photographs is also hazardous - there are a lot of variables. ¦ Reisio 22:31, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

The blue and yellow were taken from the same official site. I sampled the blue tone from a GIF image so there is no chance for a mistakingly selected tone, and with the yellow I picked the colour from several spots and it was the same (#FBD043) everywhere except near the edges of the objects. I know I didn't find a source from the same site for the red tone, but you can try picking tones from the photograph I linked and see that they are close to the less saturated tone (actually a bit more less saturated, but since it's just a photograph it can't be used to find an exact tone). Also look at this picture at CIA World Factbook. I think I've provided arguments for the blue and yellow tone; if they are used at the official website of the Parliament of Mongolia, they certainly are more justified to use than the current shades which still are without foundation. The red tone #CE1126 is closer to the truth than #FF0000; therefore it could be used until there's a more definitive shade found somewhere. This is not an argument, but I think my version has aestethically more pleasing colours, too. –Vzb83 04:04, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid that if your version matches the CIA World Factbook one more closely than Reisio's, then that's a reason to use Reisio's. CIAWFB flags are almost always horribly incorrect, or at least slightly wrong. —Nightstallion (?) 07:15, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

The Mongolian embassy in the United States seems to be using the CIA flag at their website. I'll ask them if they know anything else about the colours. –Vzb83 15:14, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Heh, they're using both a dark and bright version. Still a good idea, though, as the people there probably are better about such things than the average web designer. ¦ Reisio 20:00, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I got an answer from FOTW. They said to have received an official model for the construction of the flag from the Mongolian embassy in London. It also included suggestions for the colours, which are Pantone 192 C for red, Pantone Process blue for blue and Pantone 116 C for yellow. This is probably as close to official we can get, so I'll change the colours to the ones mentioned. –Vzb83 17:15, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Red line?

Appears vertical redline on Yin and Yang symbol. Is it by Government design, or mistake?--82.200.186.66 23:20, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Flag standard (Colour and size etc.)

This June standard of the flag of Mongolia has approved by National Standard Authority. You can see this standard here. So can anyone change this file accorging to the standard? Colour of middle blue section of the current version seems different from the standard. --61.215.169.86 14:08, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

I can't read Mongolian, but the specifications are in terms of CMYK colors, while computer-screen images (including http://stat.gogo.mn/news/2011/6/24/dalbaa_03.jpg ) are in RGB colors, and there's no simple standard conversion between the two. Interesting construction-sheet info, though... AnonMoos (talk) 14:40, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Flag colors

Per W3schools:

Scheme	Blue	Red	Yellow
CMYK	100-60-0-0	10-100-90-0	0-15-100-0
HEX	#0066FF	#FF0019	#FFD900
RGB	0 102 255	255 0 25	255 217 0

--FreshCorp619 (talk) 00:11, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

The state standard has a specific color scheme and we took the colors from the presidential website. Also, some of your conversions did not make sense. I was able to match the blue using your codes on Inkscape, Corel Draw gives me 006cb5. The red you gave me FF0019 gave me 0-100-90-0, which does not match the standard at all (10-100-90-0). I was able to get Corel Draw to match the 10-100-90-0 and it gives me 218-53-64 for the red (da3540 in hex). For yellow, FFD525 is what I get in Corel and Inkscape gives me what you got. I think the website you cite, it is where people can test code using open source and I imagine the color converter they use is from Inkscape (and as I tested, Inkscape cannot convert 10-100-90-0 because the 10 at the C gets moved into the K). We should stay with the colors in the specific standard on the website and on the standard itself. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 20:13, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Fixed it. FreshCorp619 (talk) 18:34, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Color errors

I found an analysis to those colors:

Scheme	Blue	Red	Yellow
CMYK	99-47-0-40	80-77-0-23	0-17-100-2
HEX	#015198	#C4272E	#F9CF00
RGB	1 81 152	196 39 46	249 207 0

Based on the website, the color codes are not valid User:Zscout370 but they do not match the CMYK/RGB/HEX codes at all. FreshCorp619 (talk) 18:44, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

I wondered if they did everything on Photoshop, which is one program I do not have. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 20:02, 27 May 2018 (UTC) (I'm on mobile so I might be logged out).

What about asking a user who has Photoshop? VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 17:44, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Update

VulpesVulpes42, there's Adobe Color Wheel.

Scheme	Blue	Red	Yellow
CMYK	0-83-78-23	100-47-0-40	0-16-100-2
HEX	#C5222B	#005098	#F9D000
RGB	197 34 43	0 80 152	249 208 0

Try input the same colors above. --FreshCorp619 (talk) 20:39, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

After doing some searching, User:Zsoy has Photoshop and agreed to assist. The first color he tested was blue (100-60-0-0) and he got 235aa6 for the hexadecimal. The gold was tricky because if you look at the text, it gives it as 0-15-0-0 for gold, and the three of us know that was a typo by the Mongolian Government. So, once I was able to link to an actual standard (I was at work when the update was made) and he got F6DB00 for yellow. Red, he got CF002E. I am currently installing photoshop myself (a trial version) to see what is going on. Yet, what I am led to believe is that my initial hunch about the colors being decided based on Photoshop is leaning towards correct. If that is the case, the step is what now. Do we stick to the colors from the standard jpeg file or what is the next best course of action? The first website you listed is a website where people can build and test code and I feel that is not a good source. Inkscape is free and open source so that is something I would suggest, but as we saw, the colors cannot match for some reason. I know for Slovenia I ran into this problem because it uses CMYK for their flag and I believe I ran into the same for Serbia until Pantone codes were adopted. I do have books from the Beijing and London Olympic Games with Pantone codes and we might see what other options are available. I am just personally stumped on what to do. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 09:20, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

I got the trial of photoshop and this is what I get for the CMYK colors: blue 0066b3 red da2032 and yellow ffd400. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 09:34, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

I feel like with the blue and the yellow, it is almost like pulling hairs to find the subtle differences. It is very close; I feel like the main sticking point is red. Everything I have found for the red shows it darker than what you present. If I take FF0019 and plug it into photoshop, it gives me CMYK 0-99-97-0 while Inkscape gives me 0-100-90-0. As I mentioned before, when I put the 10 in the C in Inkscape, it kicks it down to the K value, so making it e50019 (a darker shade). I put the CMYK in Corel and it for the 10-100-90-0 value, it gives me DA3540. So, truthfully, the red needs to be a darker shade than what we currently present. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 09:49, 19 June 2018 (UTC)