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December 1941 shootings at Liepaja Keep. This is part of a series of images taken of the December 1941 massacres in Liepaja, which apart from the obvious historical value of the images, include the image at right. One Carl Strott, an SS man, is customarily supposed to have been the photographer, but sources differ on this. I would say that if the Bundesarchiv has concluded that one of the images from the series is in the public domain, that should be good enough for the rest of them. Mtsmallwood (talk) 02:19, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think so. Here's the explanation that the project gives: Commons:Bundesarchiv
Nie rozumiem dlaczego ktos chce wymazac to zdjecie. Ludobujstwo Zydow nie mozna zapomniec. Porque quieren sacar esa foto, no podemos olvidar la masacre de los Judios. Yesterday the Jews, today the Dafur Christians/animist and tomorrow you and me. KEEP THE PHOTO.Please,
With some denying the Holocaust, even by a head of state as recently as Sept.2009 during the opening of the new session of the United Nations, it is important to keep as much documentation of the horror on the Internet available for the World to see. It would serve the public interest better if this item is left on Wiki.
Keep, our source says that it's PD, and I don't see why we should presume to say that both the US archive and the Bundesarchiv are wrong. Nyttend (talk) 00:47, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Claimed to be PD because USHMM said so, but actually there is no photograph 19121 on their servers: [1] nor could the photograph be located by searching Liepaja. Unclear copyright status. Buidhe (talk) 07:51, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have not been able to find this image on the USHMM web site, although I found this film from the same Gestapo source, with no indication of a Commons compatible license. It is referenced here to USHMM, but with credits to the Bunderarchiv and Carl Strott. It is available on the Bundesarchiv website, with an attribution to Carl Strott, based on which I doubt we can consider it PD. Nevertheless, the image is notoriously part of evidences presented at the Nuremberg trials [2][3][4]. This raises the interesting question of the copyright status of the evidence presented at the Nuremberg trials, discussed here. There seems to be a distinction to make between 'English' and Russian and evidence and the photograph seeo be part of the Russian evidence (hence the credit here to Novosti Press Agency. — Racconish💬21:02, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Racconish: Thanks for the info. Apparently Strott was born in 1902 and was still in good enough health in 1971 to stand trial. [5] At least the US evidence at Nuremberg was seized by the en:Alien Property Custodian, but I don't see how we can keep the file on commons since both Germany and Lithuania protect for death + 70 years. Buidhe (talk) 23:20, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For what it is worth: this picture is also archived as "Yad Vashem Photo Archives 85DO2." As the site reads: "The photographs were discovered by David Zivcon, a Jew who worked as an electrician in the SD Headquarters in Liepaja. A few weeks, or even months, after the massacre, he was called to fix something in Strott's home and he noticed rolls of negatives in an open draw. He took them, made copies with the help of a friend, and later returned them to the apartment under the pretext that there were electrical problems. He put his copies in a box and buried them in a stable. After the liberation he handed them over to a Soviet Intelligence Officer. The copies were then used as evidence in the Nuremburg Trials." Maybe it helps for the discussion.Jeff5102 (talk) 10:21, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Commons:Deletion requests/US holocaust memorial museum images (link is in the file description). /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 19:14, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Comment I have not been able to find this image on the USHMM web site, although I found this film from the same Gestapo source, with no indication of a Commons compatible license. It is referenced here to USHMM, but with credits to the Bunderarchiv and Carl Strott. It is available on the Bundesarchiv website, with an attribution to Carl Strott, based on which I doubt we can consider it PD. Nevertheless, the image is notoriously part of evidences presented at the Nuremberg trials [2] [3] [4]. This raises the interesting question of the copyright status of the evidence presented at the Nuremberg trials, discussed here. There seems to be a distinction to make between 'English' and Russian and evidence and the photograph seeo be part of the Russian evidence (hence the credit here to Novosti Press Agency. — Racconish 💬 21:02, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
