Commons:Deletion requests/File:Hand of Coexistence.jpg

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File:Hand of Coexistence.jpg

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Per COM:FOP SK, there is no freedom of panorama in South Korea. This statue was installed in 1999 and the sculptor 김승국 is still alive.

ƏXPLICIT 11:50, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Explicit and JWilz12345:  Keep: I think the next two images have de minimis applied.
These images become photos of the sea or photos of the beach when blackened with a copyrighted hand statue. Ox1997cow (talk) 12:17, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Therefore, I attached {{NoFoP-South Korea}} template to two images. Ox1997cow (talk) 12:29, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
For File:Hand of epigyny.jpg, if DM will apply, this should be renamed, and any references indicating it is meant for the sculpture should be removed (e.g. change the description and pull it out from the category). File:Hand of epigyny 2.jpg seems to be a borderline case, however, 50-50 between DM and not DM. SoKor's DM criteria is "if a work that can be seen or heard is incidentally included in the main object of photography." However, it takes the centermost portion of the photo (and it is the sole object in the photo, with no other elements or works, excluding the open sea). So Ox1997cow I think the first one can be kept, but for the second one, I still lean to delete as I doubt its incidental inclusion — at the center with no other element/object (Commons:Project scope/Precautionary principle may apply). JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 12:46, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Slashed one input: the category is not related to the sculpture anyway. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 12:47, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@JWilz12345: I think DM applies in both cases. This is because in both photos, blackening the copyrighted hand area will not make the image useless. And we don't need to rename the file and change the description. This is because the name of the file and description do not affect the copyright status. Ox1997cow (talk) 12:53, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ox1997cow for some reason your ping didn't work :-( anyway, I use the crop test found at COM:De minimis. Cropping one part of file containing the copyrighted element will not affect the usability of the image. If it affects, then DM crop test fails. (I got this idea from A1Cafel in some of my queries to them about some images by Judgefloro containing billboards and posters before). JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 14:18, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Also, a blurred version of it may end up becoming redundant to other related images of sea sceneries from SoKor, if ever there are other images of this. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 14:20, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The statue is located in Pohang City, Gyeongsangbuk-do. I looked at the images in Category:Pohang, but when I excluded the hand part from File:Hand of epigyny 2.jpg, there were no redundant images. Ox1997cow (talk) 23:01, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Before deciding whether to delete or not, I attach the following image for administrators' wise judgment.
File:Hand of epigyny 2 Blacked Out.jpg
This file is a black painted part of the copyrighted hand to see if File:Hand of epigyny 2.jpg is covered by DM. Ox1997cow (talk) 17:28, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment@Explicit: {{KOGL}}? See also Commons:Deletion requests/File:Gocheok Sky Dome WBSC Premier 12 2019.jpg. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:14, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Liuxinyu970226: No. Unlike that case, it's not related {{KOGL}}. Ox1997cow (talk) 13:33, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: DM requires that the average viewer would not notice if the copyrighted item is removed from the image. That's obviously not the case here. Painting it black does not somwhow remove the copyright. You could keep these images if you painted a big black rectangle over the hand, but then you have a useless image. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 19:20, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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