Commons:Deletion requests/File:Bryan Atkinson at the CFC 25th Anniversary Celebration in LA.jpg

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File:Bryan Atkinson at the CFC 25th Anniversary Celebration in LA.jpg

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This is a photo of me that was taken at a private event. The group photo has been cropped without my permission to focus on my face. 135.23.141.75 16:59, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • IP user 135.23.141.75, I uploaded the group photo, and I cropped your image from it. If you look at Category:Headshots of individuals cropped from the Canadian Film Centre's photos you'll see over 700 other individuals had their headshots cropped from Canadian Film Centre images.

    So, you weren't singled out. You aren't being harassed.

  • Brittany Allen is standing right beside you, in that group photo. And the photo of her, cropped from the group photo, is used to illustrate the article about her.
  • We do consider deleting properly licensed images. We don't generally delete properly licensed images, if they are in use in a wikipedia article. This image is not in use. So you can argue for us to delete it, as a courtesy to you.
  • I am pretty sure the image is properly licensed, so I'd recommend you not try to argue it should be deleted because it was taken at a private event. It was an event organized by the Canadian Film Centre, and they authorized photographers to circulate among the guests, taking photos. I believe most people will think their event, their rules, and that by agreeing to attend the event you tacitly agreed for them to publish photos that included you.
  • Arguments you could make for courtesy deletion? You could request deletion because you thought the image was unflattering. You could request deletion because you have a dangerous stalker, and you are trying to reduce your online footprint. You could say you had undergone a religious conversion, and images of yourself were against your new religion.
  • The very first thing I would advise you to do, if you still want the image deleted, would be to confirm your identity. Some individuals have frenemies, or genuinely malicious enemies, who come here and make disruptive claims and disruptive requests, to mess up public figures. So, I recommend you confirm your identity. We have been through this so many times we have a procedure for this. We have a special committee of trusted volunteers, who handle correspondence with outsiders. You email them, at permissions-commons@wikimedia.org, and they will confidentially confirm your real world identity, so we know you are not a frenemy.
  • If your main concern is that you just don't think this image is flattering, and you would be okay having a fairly written article about you, someday, consider sending us a selfie you like better. Geo Swan (talk) 20:22, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It has been ten days, and complainant has neither returned to offer an explanation as to why a courtesy deletion is in order, or followed the advice to identify themselves through an OTRS ticket. Geo Swan (talk) 15:37, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Call for closure - IP has made a request with no policy basis, and has taken no steps to confirm their identity - so call for closure. Geo Swan (talk) 08:43, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • 2nd Call for closure Geo Swan (talk) 05:18, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • 3rd Call for closure Geo Swan (talk) 13:57, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Add {{subst:delete-subst|REASON (mandatory)}} on the page
  • Notify the uploader with {{subst:idw|File:Bryan Atkinson at the CFC 25th Anniversary Celebration in LA.jpg}}~~~~
  • On the log, add :
    {{Commons:Deletion requests/File:Bryan Atkinson at the CFC 25th Anniversary Celebration in LA.jpg}}

I'm sorry, I was expecting a notification about this. I'm new to this process and find it confusing how and where I'm supposed to respond. I am requesting a courtesy deletion because I most definitely find this photo of me unflattering. I'm ok with the group photo being online with Brittany, but not the closeup of my face. I will have my identity confirmed in the meantime, but please consider removing the closeup. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.203.154 (talk • contribs) 13:13, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: Per Commons:Country_specific_consent_requirements#Canada, consent is not required. Plus it's the only available image to illustrate this subject. --Arthur Crbz (talk) 13:23, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Bryan Atkinson at the CFC 25th Anniversary Celebration in LA.jpg

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You cannot request speedy deletion of a file after two years. Courtesy deletion period is one week at the most. This requires a discussion. E4024 (talk) 18:34, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Also read the closing statement of admin A. Crbz at the previous DR, please. --E4024 (talk) 19:04, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Okay, I just checked. E4024 is correct. There is a 7 day time-limit (originally a 30 day time-limit) on uploader requests for speedy deletion.
    •  Delete I think we should honour his request, and grant him a courtesy deletion, given that he did, eventually, take steps to confirm his real life identity.
I googled Bryan Atkinson. The photo on Bryan Atkinson's personal website is clearly the same guy as in this image. So, even if there were no OTRS ticket, I would have no doubts the initial request came from the real life Bryan Atkinson. Geo Swan (talk) 21:40, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The matter is not wether the name of the person in this filename and filepage matches the person depiced in the pixels of this image, but rather
  1. whether the user requesting this deletion is the said person and
  2. (more importantly), presuming 1., whether this person has the right to request for the deletion in discussion.
I would contend that the answer to 2. is no and therefore the answer to 1. is moot. The main argument presented is that this photo was taken at a private event, which, depending on the preferred meaning of the word "private", could even be true (maybe there was a bouncer at the entrance, checking for r.s.v.p.s…) — but an event held to celebrate the anniversary of an institution is never private in the same way John Doe’s batchelor party is. Furthermore, this is not a candid photo: it was clearly staged and posed with all subjects clearly in consent. I see no reason to have this file deleted and therefore I favor it should be  kept. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 22:54, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am the one who made the second request for deletion of this image. I am not the subject of the photo, I am merely the contributor who cropped the image.

    Tuvalkin, can you help me out? Are you suggesting that someone, other than the Real Life Bryan Atkinson (RLBA) created a phony webpage solely to add credibility to a tricky attempt to delete an image of RLBA? Wow, that seems like it would be an awful lot of work, for very little payoff...

  • Do I have standing to request deletion of the image, even though I am not the subject, RLBA? Yeah, I think I do. In the first discussion I was firm that we shouldn't delete the image unless the anonymous IP used OTRS to confirm they were the RLBA. The first discussion concluded with the information that an OTRS ticket WAS started. The ticket number indicates the ticket was opened on November 26th, and the discussion was closed on November 28th. I know I made multiple calls for closure, but I don't think two days was long enough for RLBA to complete all the OTRS steps.
  • I've recently had some experiences that made clear to me that third party people, who want to request deletion of an image of themselves, or an article about themselves, find our instructions on how to make those deletion requests through OTRS far from clear.

    Over the last seven years I cropped about 700 headshots similar to this one. In the last year or so there were several requests to delete images. I linked to this discussion in the discussion over the most recent request, when I asked the individual making that request to use OTRS to confirm their identity.

    They resorted to vandalism, and bad language... [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], [26], [27] and they claimed they knew I would not support deletion, even if they confirmed their real life identity. I felt sure I would support deletion of an unused file, if the person making the request confirmed their identity. But, I had not done so for RLBA, so I decided to do so today.

  • You are correct, RLBA's initial request was based on the mistaken notion we needed his permission, when the copyright holder had released the image under a free license. But, in their final set of comments, they amended their request, saying they found the image unflattering.
  • Note: See also the related discussion, at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Jeremy Boxen at the Gale Anne Hurd Masterclass (6829984489).jpg, where Liz called for deletion of the sole headshot of an individual, because of slight distortion.
Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 02:53, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Geo Swan: To answer your question above — «Are you suggesting that someone, other than the Real Life Bryan Atkinson (RLBA) created a phony webpage solely to add credibility to a tricky attempt to delete an image of RLBA?» No, I’m not suggesting that. I’d say that RLBA’s website is simply RLBA’s website. What we cannot be sure of is whether IP:135.23.141.75 is RLBA. It would be simple for RLBA to post in his website (which you forgot to link to, by the way) a note confirming his desire to have this photo deleted and linking to this discussion page — or to do it in a properly signed post to any social media site where he has an established presence. That would confirm my point 1 above, and would leave us to discuss point 2. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 08:27, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Tuválkin , RLBA set in motion OTRS confirmation of their identity. It is more private way to confirm their identity than by placing a public note on a publicly available website.
I remain mystified as to why administrator Arthur Crbz would close the request right when RLBA started the OTRS process.
    • I've given this some thought recently. It seems many third parties are daunted and confused by being told to send a request to the OTRS email address. They don't know what to say, they don't know what to expect to happen next. I think we should provide a simple form, similar to the form for sending a private email to another contributor's private email address. It should assure third parties that their request will be dealt with anonymously. It should tell them to expect an email from a trusted committee member in the next 24 or 48 hours. Maybe it should link to an FAQ. Geo Swan (talk) 12:36, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep Courtesy deletion applies to unused photos. If you want courtesy deletion, you need to to manage replacing current usage with other appropriate photos first. Ankry (talk) 09:07, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: no valid reason for deletion - I see no reason to delete this image. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 12:26, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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