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COM:TOO#United Kingdom: a lot more complex than for example the Edge logo in the example. (Was tagged from User:Stefan4 as speedy).
- I changed the speedy as DR. It is questionable
, because the company get to an Dutch and now to a Indian company.This logo is also not anymore active,I mean the copyright is switched to other country!? If this logo is copyvio than you can also remove completely {{PD-simple}} for UK. → Perhelion 11:58, 14 June 2014 (UTC)- The source country is the country of first publication and does not change if a company is merged with a company from another country. As British Steel was a British company, it is most likely that the country of first publication is the United Kingdom. --Stefan4 (talk) 12:35, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
Delete as per nomination. @Stefan4: could you start DR's in future on such things, we can track them that way too. russavia (talk) 12:43, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
Keep I'm not much aware of the UK copyright, so I read something (so correct me please). There are some main differences to Commons:Deletion requests/Two British logos (as the given precedent), this logo is not anymore in use, it is more than 25 years old (1969). The UK law says about artistic registered designs (threshold of originality) only up to 25 years protection is available?Trademark is also a design So Trademark and Fair use, threshold of originality, don't apply not anymore? → Perhelion 13:02, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- No, a trademark is not a design. I'm not sure where you are reading that. --Stefan4 (talk) 14:13, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- Meant could be, as it stays under w:Threshold of originality "such as trademarks or design patents (particularly in the case of logos)." which falling within the 25 years. Anyway this is not a trademark anymore. If this logo is nevertheless copyright protected, why then trademark copyright in UK exists? → Perhelion 17:53, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- w:Design patents cancel copyright in the United Kingdom as far as I can tell. I think that this was used as an argument in the Lego brick case which is mentioned under COM:TOO#United Kingdom. In other countries, copyright and design patents exist side by side, which is why you see French courts fining companies for posting pictures of chairs on their websites in violation of the copyright of the chairs (see [1]). A logo is normally only subject to trademark protection, which is not the same thing as a design patent. --Stefan4 (talk) 21:05, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- Meant could be, as it stays under w:Threshold of originality "such as trademarks or design patents (particularly in the case of logos)." which falling within the 25 years. Anyway this is not a trademark anymore. If this logo is nevertheless copyright protected, why then trademark copyright in UK exists? → Perhelion 17:53, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- Delete According to en:British Steel the company was a UK one at all times when this logo was in use; that means the source country must be the UK (I am not aware of any mechanism by which the source country of a work can change, it is set at the point of creation/publication). Given that the source country is the UK, and that a UK court has afforded protection to the Edge logo (see here) there can be no doubt that the same court would also extend protection to this logo if asked to. LGA talkedits 06:07, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- The question is how long? (Sorry you don't comment my linked source, is it false? I stroked out the already answered questions by Stefan4) Also, you tell that the EDGE logo (change a single stroke on an "E" letter of an existing font, moreover, exactly in the manner as in other existing fonts) get 75 years after the dead of the author with a threshold of originality of lower than an chimpanzee is still protected? This is clear an insult to the intelligence and the freedom of every man, that shows who ruled this planet. This does not mean that the (steel) logo looks very good. → Perhelion 06:49, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- I seem to recall for the UK that it is 70 years from the date of death of the person who designed it. Yes the threshold of originality for countries that derive their copyright law from the UK (i.e. most of the British Commonwealth excluding Canada) is exceptionally low, bordering on non-existent. The only requirement is that it originates from a person, so your chimpanzee is out of luck there. There is an even lower example from Australian courts, where this is afforded copyright protection. LGA talkedits 07:02, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- I guess the Aboriginal Flag is not comparable, because they is not protected of threshold of originality. Anyway, what could be the reason that this clear UK precedent is not linked in the threshold of originality article? → Perhelion 07:15, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't follow, the Edge case is listed @ Commons:TOO#United Kingdom. LGA talkedits 07:28, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- Take this!? (PS: HTML tag, is it ok!?) → Perhelion 07:47, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
- The question is how long? (Sorry you don't comment my linked source, is it false? I stroked out the already answered questions by Stefan4) Also, you tell that the EDGE logo (change a single stroke on an "E" letter of an existing font, moreover, exactly in the manner as in other existing fonts) get 75 years after the dead of the author with a threshold of originality of lower than an chimpanzee is still protected? This is clear an insult to the intelligence and the freedom of every man, that shows who ruled this planet. This does not mean that the (steel) logo looks very good. → Perhelion 06:49, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: Seems to exceed TOO for the UK FASTILY 09:38, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
