Commons:Quality images candidates/Archives September 20 2016

Consensual review

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File:16-09-17-WlC-Kornwestheim-Img0353.jpg

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  • Nomination: Blame it on the Beet, Cocktail --Ralf Roletschek 22:38, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Review
  •   Support Good quality. --Freddy2001 20:46, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Oppose Needs appropriate category though --A.Savin 14:04, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
    •   Comment And a meaningful filename, too. --Code 17:30, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Yes please, a better name. Many of your pictures have really strange file names, relating more to your own sorting system I suppose, than search engine friendly words used at Commons. W.carter 08:38, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   I withdraw my nomination I make no competition with Quality Filename Candidates. --Ralf Roleček 19:53, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
Total: 1 support (excluding the nominator), 1 oppose →   Inconclusive result after 8 consensual review days   --Hubertl 20:04, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

File:Ornamental pool in Jameos del Agua.jpg

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  • Nomination Exterior lake in Jameos del Agua. Lanzarote, Canary Islands, Spain. --ElBute 10:16, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Comment Lake? This looks more like a "lake-shaped" pool to me. W.carter 11:36, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Promotion
  • {{o}} Sorry, Insufficient quality. far away from beeing a QI, IMO --Hubertl 11:53, 16 September 2016 (UTC) **   Comment Yes, it's an artificial lake or a pool not intended for bathing
    •   Comment Hubertl Could you please be a bit more specific? What are the so obvious reasons for your rejection? --ElBute 12:01, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
      •   Comment I appreciate more opinions. --Hubertl 13:45, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
        •   Comment - I think the issue for me is one of definition. In English, we would not call this a lake. I would call it a pool, and since it's not intended for swimming, I suppose an "ornamental pool", though that isn't a common term. As for the picture's quality, the focus looks OK to me except for a bit of unsharpness in the upper half of the area near the right margin, but overall, it looks good enough for QI to me. So my advice, for what it's worth, would be: (1) Change the filename from "Lake in Jameos del Agua" to "Pool in Jameos del Agua", and also change the English-language description accordingly Once you do that, for whatever it's worth, I would vote to support this as a QI, although I would like to know whether there's something Hubertl saw that I'm missing. -- Ikan Kekek 00:59, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Comment for me this picture lacks on details on the dark parts. --Hubertl 06:10, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
  • You're absolutely right. I was focusing too much on the pool itself, I think.   Oppose per Hubertl. -- Ikan Kekek 06:19, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Done OK, at least now I have a reason for rejection. It doesn't help when your picture is rejected with no reason at all. Well, shadows have been lightened up. Now, there is more detail in there. Regarding the description, it has been updated to "ornamental pool". I do my best with the English but I'm not a native speaker, you know. In any case, nothing that could not be fixed. BTW, changing the file name is not something I can do, right? How could I ask for a filename change? Sorry, I'm not very skilled in Commons as well, but I try to learn every day. --ElBute 08:11, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Support File name changed. You click on the "More" tab at the top of the file's page and then on "Move" and request the renaming of the file. Someone with move-rights will do the move for you. In this case I did it for you. I also added a category, Category:Ornamental pools in Spain, the expression is very much in use on Commons at least. With the shadows lifted I think it's ok. W.carter 08:55, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Comment Thanks W.carter for the explanation and support. --ElBute 09:03, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Support - This is now good enough for me. -- Ikan Kekek 09:32, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Changed to   Neutral. --Hubertl 21:43, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
Total: 2 support (excluding the nominator), 0 oppose →   Promoted   --Hubertl 20:00, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

File:16-08-31-Saeima-RR2_3894.jpg

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Running total: 1 support (excluding the nominator), 2 oppose → Decline?   --Peulle 10:04, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

File:Mausolée_de_C._Marius_Romanus_03.jpg

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  • Nomination Marius Romanus Mausoleum in Kairouan --IssamBarhoumi 22:30, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Promotion
  •   Comment Not a bad photo but it needs a much better description. W.carter 10:01, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Oppose Poor composition IMO. Overexposed areas--Lmbuga 21:03, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
    •   Comment dear W.carter I added some information but there is a lack of historical data It take me a lot of research to find the site and photograph it for wiki loves monuments this is the first free photo for the Mausoleum. dear Lmbuga there i only that building there you can verify by the location I added it in the photo details.--
      •   Comment The description is good enough now, but please remember to sign your comments! I can't se any overexposed areas except for the sun, but that is unavoidable, and the sun is not even posterized, something that I find remarkable. The composition is not poor, but rather bold and striking. Let's discuss this one.--W.carter 13:01, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Support per above. W.carter 08:18, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Support per W.carter. I find it striking and touching, too. IssamBarhoumi, I hope you are not looking directly at the sun while you take pictures! -- Ikan Kekek 06:23, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Support Remarkable quality for a shot against the sun. --Palauenc05 09:04, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

  Comment Dear Ikan Kekek yes I do ;) Dear Palauenc05 Dear W.carter Dear W.carter thank you for your advises and support :)

  • And once again IssamBarhoumi, please remember to sign you comments and posts! If you don't they can be removed. W.carter 08:45, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
  Comment - I hope you mean you don't. If you're looking directly at the sun, please stop. You probably know this, but unless you use very special equipment, you will blind yourself if you look directly at the sun. -- Ikan Kekek 06:25, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Total: 3 support (excluding the nominator), 1 oppose →   Promoted   --Hubertl 06:54, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

File:Great_Sphinx_of_Giza_(1).jpg

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  • Nomination Great Sphinx of Giza --Hamerani 09:00, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Promotion
  •   Comment While the photo is sharp and all, you have the same problem that most photographers have when taking pics of the sphinx from this angle: There is a huge pyramid behind it and those are pretty hard to move. Some have opted for cloning it out, but I think it has a good documentary value to keep it in the picture. Only, I think it would be better if you could darken the pyramid just a little bit so that it doesn't blend in as much with the sphinx as it does right now. We need something to separate the two here. Think you can do that? W.carter 21:36, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Support The suggested changes are   Not done but are not strictly necessary for promotion IMO. This is a case where the composition could be better, but isn't bad by any means. --King of Hearts 04:22, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Support - W.carter's suggestion is a good one, but that's provided you want to make the picture look different from how it probably looked when you took the photo. I agree that the pyramid blends in with the sphinx somewhat, but the texture is different enough to distinguish them. I think this is good enough for QI. -- Ikan Kekek 06:30, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
Total: 2 support (excluding the nominator), 0 oppose →   Promoted   --Hubertl 06:55, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

File:2016R1535_-_Київ.jpg

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  • Nomination Собор Софійський, Київ, Володимирська вул., 24 --Мирослав Видрак 07:32, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Promotion
  •   Oppose Unsuitable crop, IMO. --Peulle 08:03, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Support Maybe a composition choice. Should be discussed IMO.--Jebulon 09:12, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Support I find the crop bold and interesting, focusing on the smaller towers instead if the whole building. W.carter 10:57, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Support Same as W.carter --Moroder 18:41, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Support -- Spurzem 08:09, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Support Fine composition. --Palauenc05 09:07, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Support good crop and composition. --Ralf Roletschek 19:57, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
Total: 6 support (excluding the nominator), 1 oppose →   Promoted   --Hubertl 06:55, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

File:Spire of Sint-Bonifatiuskerk, Leeuwarden 1643.jpg

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  • Nomination The spire of Sint-Bonifatiuskerk, Leeuwarden. --C messier 11:48, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Promotion
  •   Oppose Something wrong with focus, does not appear like QI for me --A.Savin 10:47, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
    •   Comment Focus wasn't spot on, but still it was good enough.   New version with some changes, please discuss. --C messier 13:48, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Oppose - I made sure that I was looking at both versions and even cleared my cache to make doubly sure. Even in the new version, nothing is crisp sharp, and the top of the spire is quite fuzzy. I may be wrong, but it doesn't seem like a QI to me. -- Ikan Kekek 10:46, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Support I think sharpness is good enough for QI --Imehling 12:03, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Support Unsharp, but QI if you resize the picture at 2 megapixels--Lmbuga 21:46, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Question - Is there an unofficial QIC policy that all images larger than 2 MP should be reduced to 2 MP before the sharpness is judged, or is that only your method for judging whether the focus is sufficient for you? I'm confused by your argument, because Commons:Image guidelines specifically says: "Images should not be downsampled (sized down in order to appear of better quality). Downsampling reduces the amount of information stored in the image file." And in the section covering focus and depth of field, no comments are made about going easier on larger files or judging downsampled 2-MP versions of them instead of the files themselves. I would agree that a really tiny area of unsharpness in an otherwise crisp 40 MP image shouldn't be a bar to QI - nor in most cases to FP - but I could use a little help (rather than invective or generalized complaining) in understanding the unofficial standards that are used at QIC. -- Ikan Kekek 10:13, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
Actually, the quality should be evaluated based merely on the uploaded size. Anything else is too complicated anyway and a bias towards high-resolution cameras (a 50 mpix picture downsampled to 2 mpix is of course nearly always "sharp", but not necessarily a technically good shot; QIC should be about a good focus, exposure, and postprocess; not about certain cameras). --A.Savin 20:43, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
I don't completely agree with A.Savin here. The guidelines say that an image should not be downsampled in order to appear of better quality. Therefore, if camera can shoot 24 MP, one should not reduce this to 3 MP in order to make it look sharper. If that has been done, it's a disqualifier in itself. As technology developes, the standards also change; an image that was considered QI 8 years ago might not be considered good enough if uploaded today.--Peulle 21:55, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
Possibly you misunderstood? I didn't say that downsampling is in itself a reason to decline; some downsampling is OK for me if necessary (sometimes it is); what I mean is that an image uploaded at 24 mpix should be judged based on what you see at 100% of a 24 mpix image, and not on what you see when downsampled to 2 (or 4, or 11, ...) mpix. With other words, when you shoot an unsharp 24 mpix photo, you may upload it downsampled to 2 mpix and then nominate on QIC if you think that it looks sharp enough then; but you may not nominate the full 24 mpix version and claim on QIC "well, just look at it in downsampled preview". At least with me, this wouldn't work. Lmbuga and others may think different, we have no such policy afaik. --A.Savin 23:44, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for addressing this. Much appreciated. -- Ikan Kekek 00:11, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
Just to clarify: the rules open up for downsampling if neccessary, but not if the objective is to make an unsharp image appear sharp.--Peulle 15:27, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Support The argument on how to review is a bit complicated. We can't encourage excessive downsampling as our minimum threshold is only 2MP. At the same time a very large file sharp only in 2/3 MP is also not acceptable. So I prefer a middle ground. For larger files above 6MP (excluding stitched panoramas), if they are not sharp enough in their full resolution, I will check them again in a reasonable resolution. Here this is first uploaded in almost camera's maximum resolution; most APC/MFTs are not that much good enough. It's acceptable for me in this size. Jkadavoor 13:11, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
Total: 3 support (excluding the nominator), 2 oppose →   Promoted   --Hubertl 19:58, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

File:Evening light into Kobbskaret in Sørfold.jpg

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  • Nomination Evening light into Kobbskaret in Sørfold, Norway --Frankemann 19:00, 11 September 2016 (UTC)--
  • Promotion
  •   Support Good quality --Halavar 20:56, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Oppose - I disagree. Beautiful photo, but there are large posterized bright areas in the sky. Ikan Kekek 05:24, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Comment - I would appreciate another opinion. Should this be considered a QI because of its excellence aside from the posterized areas, or should the technical problem rule that out? -- Ikan Kekek 04:24, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Support IMO the problems are not serious enough to decline. --Palauenc05 09:19, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Comment - If no-one disagrees, I'm content to declare this a QI. I'll check back tomorrow and see if there are any more comments. If not, I will drop my initial opposition. -- Ikan Kekek 09:36, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Comment - I have annulled my initial oppose vote, which was mainly for the purpose of discussion. I am declaring this promoted. -- Ikan Kekek 23:27, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Comment Please vote pro or contra, Ikan Kekek, it is not really difficult - but difficult for me to understand, what you mean. Who else will decide, what you mean? --Hubertl 04:11, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Comment - If I knew how, I would simply promote the photo. I've annulled my oppose vote. I was being neutral, but I will mildly   Support. -- Ikan Kekek 06:20, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
  •   Comment Thanks, with this, you made my life a little bit easier! --Hubertl 07:00, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Total: 3 support (excluding the nominator), 0 oppose →   Promoted   --Hubertl 16:53, 19 September 2016 (UTC)