Commons:Quality images candidates/Archives March 2007

Consensual Review

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  • Nomination Fishing at Foz do Arelho beach, west coast of Portugal - Alvesgaspar 00:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Decline Good composition, but the surf is overexposed --Simonizer 10:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
  •   Support I disagree that the blown highlights on some of the surf is a problem. Examining the surf shows it is very, very white but relatively few bits are actually over blown. There are a couple of reflections off the water that are over blown highlights. The overall image is not detracted from by these bright points, I would nominate it as QI. --Tony Wills 21:45, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmm, the surf isn't bothering me that much either, but there is considerable chrominance noise on the beach and there are precedences of QI declines for that. --Dschwen 17:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Comment - Dschwen is right, but I have no idea what is the cause of the noise. This was originally a pretty big image (8Mb) and even with a downsample it wasn't possible to get rid of it. After all, the sun was to too strong for this kind of picture. Alvesgaspar 21:25, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well upload the original and see if someone else can produce a better version! :-) --Tony Wills 22:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Result: 1 support, 2 oppose >> not promoted to QI --Tony Wills 20:58, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 
 
  • Nomination Memorial at the former site of the Synagogue in Goettingen, Germany. --Dschwen 15:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Promotion I vote for the abstract beauy of this picture despite some obvious photographic flaws. I think Escher would have liked this geometric pattern - Alvesgaspar 21:15, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not disputing your promotion, but wondered if you want to transfer it to the alternative that I asked Dschwen to find - one that doesn't cut the corners of the 'star of david' geometric pattern. --Tony Wills 09:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Result: 1 support, 0 oppose >> promoted to QI --Tony Wills 21:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 
  • Nomination: Bryce Canyon Hoodoos Amphitheater Panorama --Digon3 19:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Review needed
 
i have a question refering this picture and this other one who was already promoted. . i was about to decline the promotion of the first becouse it is overexposed. then by chance looked at the one already promoted, and it is also overexposed. so that i can not decline this one, in order to be fair i would have to promote it.

we have not a section to discuss weather or not images should be depromoted. so before making a mistake i wanted to ask your opinion. should it be promoted or not?

also we have several cases of pictures being simple crops from other QI. how far can this go?-LadyofHats 08:09, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • From what I know about histograms, the second picture the red is a bit overexposed, but the panorama is not overexposed. Second, the other picture is not a simple crop of the panorama. It is a version of a picture that was included to make the panorama. --Digon3 16:39, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unassessed image. --Leyo 09:47, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 
  • Nomination Bryce Canyon Hoodoos --Digon3 15:06, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Decline Next picture with the same - exaggeration. Lestat 20:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
You're right. I forgot that version was a QI. Thanks --Digon3 15:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Since this is the best edit, is it possible to transfer the QI tag from *this to this edit? --Digon3 15:52, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Result: 2 support, 1 oppose >> promoted to QI Please merge the versions --Leyo 19:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 
  • Nomination Elevated subway station in Brooklyn --Dschwen 09:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Decline Bad perspective. --Lestat 15:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Result: 3 support (excluding the nominator), 1 oppose >> promoted to QI --Tony Wills 00:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 
  • Nomination A Siberian Husky exhibiting heterchromia. --Pharaoh Hound 13:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Decline in my opinion a little out of focus --Simonizer 10:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 
Edit by Pharaoh Hound. Lightened, downsized slightly, sharpened

The eyes resp. the uneuqal coloring seem to be the subject here. I don't see them out of focus so that the quality of this image meets the criteria in my opinion. norro 12:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please look at they eyes of File:Owczarek kraski głowa 454.jpg. Those are sharp. Then look again at this picture. --Simonizer 14:52, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Maybe this one is a bit blurry but for the subject of eyes, I still prefer this one. And also this one has two eye color which is the most important factor of this image in my opinion. --66.36.139.108 22:59, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don´t misunderstand me. Iam not prefering the other picture, i mentioned that only for the comparison of the sharpness. I know that the two eye color thing is the important factor of this picture. But the two eye color thing could be sharper in my opinion.

But i said in my review "a little out of focus", so it was only a weak oppose. Go ahead make it QI. --Simonizer 09:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Result: 2 support, 1 oppose >> promoted to QI --Leyo 21:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 
  • Nomination A row of glasses with a tilting water level Benjamint revised description
  • Promotion I would rather say a row of glasses glued to a tilted base... or a row of glasses in an acelerating platform Alvesgaspar 00:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC) Revised description again --benjamint - Nice quality, why did you have to put the glases in the freezer before the experience?... Alvesgaspar 08:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC). There is another possibility which might explain the frost: a frozen fluid inside the glasses. Are you sure about the present description? - Alvesgaspar 23:32, 15 March 2007 (UTC)They wern't frozen and niether was the water, I asume your commenting on the smokey look which I would guess is just reflection --Benjamint444 07:42, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
  • OK I'm not going to let this pass until it's clarified how it's made. We need a detailed information on the image page. Because the image claims it's impossible to have this in nature and it still doesn't say exactly what it is. When that is included by Benjamint444, I would support. If not, then the image is nothing special (we don't know what it is) and the quality can be much better. And those reflections which look like frost are also a major issue. --Arad 22:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I Agree theres a claim its impossible but look heres the photo, To be a QI it needs to have a description that makes the image useful to others. Without methods thats lacking, the haze around the glasses becomes a serious flaw that should result in it not being promoted unless it's cause is explained Gnangarra 11:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • This looks fishy and I withdraw my support vote until the subject is clarified. It is OK to puzzle the users with our pictures, it is not OK trying to fool the reviewers. The author claims that the glasses were in an accelerating platform at the moment of the shot. However, that does not explain the frost or the weird texture of the "water" surface, as if it were frozen or made of some plastic material. Alvesgaspar 14:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Info I withdrew the claim that it was impossible when I revised the description, I wasn't trying to hoodwink anyone by that. Anyone looking at it would see imediately that it was just taken with the subject and camera on an angle. As to the smokey reflections, it could be from the surface they were sitting on (which was not completely white) or nearly anything else since it was taken outside. It was water in a liquid state in the glasses though. --Benjamint444 03:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Oppose Another thing you forgot to say is that this is a composite image, formed by three images of a single glass. I'm really having some difficulty in believing in your good faith. By the way, there is still an explanation in the picture file claiming the glasses are in an acelerating platform - Alvesgaspar 10:03, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, I still don't see any information explaining how it's made. Subject and the camera on an angle? What does that mean? And the image page should be updated when it's cleared. --Arad 14:29, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Oppose I'm afraid I have difficulty in approving images where the uploader is unwilling to be open with the community. --MichaelMaggs 08:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have added information about how it was made on the image page (and had already done so when you opposed this MichaelMaggs). I only uploaded this image to get some feedback, It obviously wasn't good enough for fpc so I just made up a simple description. The second time all I did was copy and paste the description sugested by Alvesgaspar, an image like this is not worth the effort; it's just the prototype of an image I would like to do with more ornate glasses. I've got the feedback I wanted (watch out for reflections) from putting it here so either turn it down or delete it --Benjamint444 11:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Result: 0 support (excluding the nominator), 4 oppose >> not promoted to QI --Tony Wills 01:09, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 
  • Nomination Chehel Sotoon (40 columns) Isfahan, Iran--Arad 16:37, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Decline Tilt! --Simonizer 09:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Result: 0 support (excluding the nominator), 4 oppose >> not promoted to QI --Tony Wills 00:47, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 
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  • Nomination Arg-e Bam, Bam, Iran. The biggest adobe building in the world. --Arad 16:53, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Decline Overexposed --Lestat 15:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Result: 0 support (excluding the nominator), 4 oppose >> not promoted to QI --Tony Wills 00:41, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 
  • Nomination Dmitry Cherevko from Drolls folk band. --Lestat 13:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Decline Too small a depth of field and too much noise in shadows. --Steevven1 02:32, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Result: 0 support (excluding the nominator), 1 oppose >> not promoted to QI --Tony Wills 23:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 
  • Nomination Image of Harlequin sweetlips. Plectorhinchus chaetodonoides. --Jnpet 16:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Promotion Not too sharp, but sufficient, I think. --norro 10:04, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 
 

Too much noise and a slightly skewed colour balance. Too little post processing has been attempted to make this potential candidate into a quality image. I'm not an expert, but had a go at denoising and downsampling in version 2 Lycaon 15:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that your version is better. norro 16:12, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I actually did use a photo editing tool for this image before uploading it. However, I didn't downsample it. I'm still getting used to the editing software and I'm sure I'll get better at it, but I'm not sure I agree with downsampling. As a thumbnail, the images look identical. There is a discussion going on regarding this on the talk page. --Jnpet 00:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The downsampling I did was only minor, the denoising more substantial. Pictures will never be "used" as thumbnails (except on a website, ofcourse). Lycaon 18:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I confess, I'm having a hard time seeing the difference between the two images. I see some shadows reduced, but not much else. The editing I had done was substantial, you should see the original image. Anyway, I would appreciate if you could tell me where this "noise" is so I can identify this in the future. Like I said, I'm still learning. --Jnpet 08:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Is this more clear (look at the detail comparison in full res please)? I'm also learning, but I think the original image can be improved... Lycaon 20:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I drop my opposition and go for neutral, so that the image can be promoted. Lycaon 06:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Result: 1 support, 0 oppose >> promoted to QI --Leyo 08:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]


 
  • Nomination Lens Nikkor 18-70mm. --norro 13:53, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Decline Resolution too low--Simonizer 14:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Result: 3 support, 2 oppose >> promoted to QI --Leyo 23:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 
  • Nomination Sydney at night (edited version)--Arad 18:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Decline Very akward "starry" light effects. Lycaon 18:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

We talked about this image on talk page and people agree. This image has far more quality than many other QI. And by the way I don't see a problem with the "starry" effect. I think it's rather personal taste. And I removed all of the noise on this image (compare it to the original). --Arad 06:52, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Result: 0 support, 2 oppose >> not promoted to QI --Leyo 23:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 
  • Nomination The title page of the Book of Isaiah--Trounce 15:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Decline Good quality, but the depth of field is irritatingly small and there's some grain in the shadows. --Pharaoh Hound 13:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

The narrow depth of field is deliberate. The idea was to draw the eye to "The Book Of Isaiah" text and give a sense of depth to what could have been a flat, plain image of text.I am not sure what Pharaoh Hound means about the grain in the shadows. There is text from the underside of the page slightly showing through. This is a characteristic of Bibles which use a lighter than standard paper. I liked this effect.

That sort of leads me to a question (not sure if this is the place). On this Quality Image candidate page if one person likes (or dislikes the image for whatever reason) is that it? Its the opinion of whoever gets to the photo first? For example in my photo here of the Isaiah page, Pharaoh Hound found the depth of field irritating, whereas I tried hard to achieve the narrow depth of field and quite like it. Am I right thinking that if by chance someone who liked the effect came across the image before Pharaoh Hound and tagged it for promotion, then it would have been accepted?

Sorry for the question, this is my first time doing this.--Trounce 15:07, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • You think you have an QI photo. The idea of this QI-page is to let the photo check from a second person. So you are right. The one who reviewed it first is the one who decideds if the photo is QI or not. But he should not judge it by personal liking, but by the guidlines (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Quality_images_guidelines). If you or another reviewer think he might be wrong with his decision, then you have the consensual review. Now other reviewers can give there opinion, and depending on whether they are supporting the decision of the reviewer or not your image will become QI.--Simonizer 12:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clarifying that.--Trounce 14:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I like the images idea a lot but the way this lens renders unsharp image parts (bookeh) is bad. There is heavy grain in the middle of the book. The DOF coud be even smaller to point out the title. Play with the lightening! --Ikiwaner 18:28, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't find the DOF that good. It could be a lot better. And it's not special in anyway. --Arad 06:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • QI for me. --norro 17:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Would we take this picture as a good example of a book QI ? Certainly not since the main subject is cropped and out of focus. I see this picture as an experiment on DOF, not more than that Alvesgaspar 15:52, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Decline because of shallow DOF Lycaon 23:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This is a great example of artistic perception and purpose. I personally would have said nothing about Depth of Field because to me the focus is on something that must be seem from its context in in the book, and either a whole shot of the entire book or a close-up of text alone would have detracted from its purpose. A picture does not have to be a grandiose panorama of the Grand Canyon to qualify. I also find it puerile to repeatedly comment on things that have already been said, per Arad's and Lycaon's comments. a l τ o n .ıl 06:56, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Result: 1 support, 4 oppose >> not promoted to QI --Leyo 23:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 
  • Nomination: A redheaded toddler --Steevven1 02:18, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Review Tight crop, but good quality --Dschwen 07:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Result: 0 support, 3 oppose >> not promoted to QI --Leyo 21:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 
  • Nomination Eugenes fulgens --Pharaoh Hound 13:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Decline Nice pic, but unfortunately to small according to guidelines. --Leyo 17:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Those are guidelines not rules. We have a brain and we can use it. We can't just say this is not QI because it falls short of 50px from the guidelines. They are guidelines as you said. This image is 1536px by 1536px. So if it was 1600pxX500px you would promote it? Come on. --Arad 21:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Promote, in fact he main Commons:Quality images guidelines state the image has to be 1.92Mpix, which is fullfiled here. --89.102.143.110 17:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK then. I withdraw my objection to the promotion. --Leyo 18:31, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Result: 2 support, 0 oppose >> promoted to QI --Leyo 01:23, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 
  • Nomination Mergus merganser --Pharaoh Hound 13:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Decline Nice pic, but unfortunately to small according to guidelines. --Leyo 17:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Just to put that vote in context, Arad's comment on previous picture was "We can't just say this is not QI because it falls short of 50px from the guidelines." so that vote is in support --Tony Wills 23:10, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Decline, doesn't meet the exact criteria. --89.102.143.110 17:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Result: 2 support, 1 oppose >> promoted to QI --Leyo 01:23, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 
  • Nomination Image of Green sea turtle. Chelonia mydas. --Jnpet 15:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Decline Very skewed colour balance, not very sharp neither. Lycaon 15:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it's very hard to get a shot like this under water (correct me if i'm wrong), and it's pretty sharp and big. So maybe a downsampling can help. We went through this in talk page. This image is very big and we are looking at it in full size. Downsample it to 1600px and you'll see a very sharp image. --Arad 06:43, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Downsampling is one part, the colour balance is a far more serious problem! Have you ever seen a turtle in real life? I wouldn't promote a purple buttercup neither, sorry. Lycaon 19:35, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, now I see your reason. And I agree. --Arad 22:24, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Result: 0 support, 2 oppose >> not promoted to QI --Leyo 01:23, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 
  • Nomination Sunflowers and sun. --norro 16:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Decline Artsy but no good illustration of sunflowers, as the light makes it difficult to see anything. -- Ayacop 17:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Result: 1 support, 3 oppose >> not promoted to QI --Leyo 01:23, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 
  • Nomination Lampornis castaneoventris --Pharaoh Hound 13:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Decline Nice pic, but unfortunately to small according to guidelines. --Leyo 17:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Decline, doesn't meet the exact criteria. --89.102.143.110 17:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC) No voting rights. --Leyo 16:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done (at Lampornis castaneoventris) Lycaon 10:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Result: 3 support, 0 oppose --> promoted --Leyo 16:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 
  • Nomination Small Munsterlander in winter --startaq 16:25, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Promotion Beautiful dog and mystical foggy colours. QI. --Lestat 16:45, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, beautiful dog and mystical colours, but the resolution is too small and it seems a little out of focus! --Simonizer 11:31, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Simonizer, also a bit overexposed. Lycaon 11:45, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Decline, doesn't meet resolution criteria. --89.102.143.110 17:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC) No voting rights. --Leyo 22:33, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Result: 1 support, 2 oppose --> not promoted --Leyo 22:33, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 
  • Nomination Carvin in Sułkowski castle in Bielsko-Biała (Poland). --Lestat 15:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Decline it is cut out below, but not above. and it mises just a tic contrast. speacially the stone againt the red-LadyofHats 22:43, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Agree with LadyofHats on the crop, image is also slightly tilted CW. Not a QI. Lycaon 22:05, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I would love to support this if the background wasn't red and it had a higher resolution to show more detail. Maybe we can edit it with photoshop and put a more balanced background? --66.36.139.108 23:00, 20 February 2007 (UTC) No voting rights. --Leyo 22:33, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Result: 0 support (excluding the nominator), 2 oppose --> not promoted --Leyo 22:33, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]