Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Istiqlal Mosque

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Files in Category:Istiqlal Mosque

The mosque was completed in 1978 by architect Friedrich Silaban (1912–1984). Unfortunately, there is no freedom of panorama in Indonesia. The copyright terms of the country lasted for 70 years, and they can be undeleted in 2055.

A1Cafel (talk) 13:38, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I object to this proposal to delete this image, because it's shared for non-commercial and educational purposes and the freedom of panorama in Indonesia acknowledges this. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.148.91.183 (talk) 14:08, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @85.148.91.183: Non-commerical use was not accepted on Commons. Please read Commons:Licensing for further info. --A1Cafel (talk) 02:39, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
File:Touring the Istiqlal Mosque in Jakarta, Indonesia, with the First Lady and Grand Imam Ali Mustafa Yaqub, November 10, 2010.jpg was cropped. --Taterian (talk) 00:07, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
On hold Due to Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:An-Nur Great Mosque. --Liuxxinyu970226 (talk) 01:59, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I propose to nuke all pictures of buildings in Indonesia, until each uploader of said subject can proof that they have read our Commons:Licensing and provides the exact building completion date, the name and date of death of their architects, before they upload; and fully understand the copyright crime they committed if they didn't do so. Bennylin (yes?) 13:04, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Also this. Why does this even need to be discussed again and again and again and again and again? Just get done with them already. Bennylin (yes?)
@Bennylin: perhaps these uploaders thought Commons can host educational-only content. Well that doesn't comply with COM:L#Acceptable licenses. Fortunately this is a building, and half (not all) can be moved to enwiki under restricted tag FoP-USonly. Not all because enwiki is not supposed to imitate Commons as it is not a repository in the first place (the reason why it has only three or four Burj Khalifa images). But recourse to enwiki is not indefinite: enwiki disallows images of copyrighted sculptures unless a few of them shall be uploaded and complying with enwiki's fair use guidelines. For these files, Delete all (except 2 images) as forum now archived at Commons:Village pump/Copyright/Archive/2021/01#Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:An-Nur Great Mosque should be focused by professors in this grey area. Consensus remains: no Commons-acceptable or commercial FOP in Indonesia. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 18:08, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The two images are File:Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi visits the Istiqlal Masjid in Jakarta (1).jpg and File:Touring the Istiqlal Mosque in Jakarta, Indonesia, with the First Lady and Grand Imam Ali Mustafa Yaqub, November 10, 2010.jpg, which may be COM:De minimis. But File:Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi visits the Istiqlal Masjid in Jakarta (1).jpg may need to be cropped so that most of the upper half of the mosque will be gone for good, to focus more on the people. The new question: is the cropped image removing a copyrighted building still useful or not? JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 02:48, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@JWilz12345: If buildings are off-limit, how about people like here: File:Touring the Istiqlal Mosque in Jakarta, Indonesia, with the First Lady and Grand Imam Ali Mustafa Yaqub, November 10, 2010.jpg? --Taterian (talk) 02:14, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Taterian: taking photos and publishing them under commercial licensing is different from touring by dignitaries. Both are different things. And the main aim of the image is the persons depicted, not the building which is not the main focus (plus the façade is not wholly shown). JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 02:43, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@JWilz12345: Thank you for your note. Does it mean that the image in question stays, or I need to remove background completely? --Taterian (talk) 04:38, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Taterian: the image is fine for me. The focus is on the people and not the mosque which is now in the background. However, since I noticed a while ago that this is a cropped version, the previous versions must be revision deleted (revdel), while leaving the current cropped version intact. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 04:47, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@JWilz12345: Thank you for your answer, regarding deleting the previous versions, yes, I know, this is a common practice. --Taterian (talk) 17:41, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No COM:FOP Indonesia. Agree with keep but revdel of the last one. -M.nelson (talk) 20:29, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination. --Krd 10:07, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Files in Category:Istiqlal Mosque

More files in Category:Istiqlal Mosque

Incomplete list and deletion. Please finish what you've started. We shall not stop the purge until there's no more Istiqlal images in Commons. And I hope we have some capable admin that will delete these files as soon as possible, not waiting 6 months like the request above. Bennylin (yes?) 12:29, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Are you really deleting an entire category of files? You should probbaly review the files more carefully then. For example, the reasoning you gave for the mass deletions was that "there is no freedom of panorama in Indonesia". Which is true. However, I'd argue that a lot of the files aren't panorama's. For example, File:Mihrab of Istiqlal Mosque, Jakarta Indonesia.jpg doesn't show a panorama, this includes other files such as File:Wudu Istiqlal Mosque.JPG and File:Istiqlal Mosque Wudhu (Ablution).JPG. Cheers, The man from Gianyar (talk) 14:01, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reasoning as per OP:

The mosque was completed in 1978 by architect Friedrich Silaban (1912–1984). Unfortunately, there is no freedom of panorama in Indonesia. The copyright terms of the country lasted for 70 years, and they can be undeleted in 2055.

More files in Category:Interior of Istiqlal Mosque

@Bennylin: are you trying to make a point here? I clicked some of the images and none of them contain a deletion template and quite a few of them don't even include the mosque. In the current state this whole section should just be closed. Multichill (talk) 20:00, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just in the nick of time. I've only recently know about VisualFileChange to make a mass deletion request. Please check the files again. Thanks. Bennylin (yes?) 20:08, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Bennylin: before this you were just being pointy, but just tagging blanketly all the images in a category for deletion without checking is clearly disruptive. Multichill (talk) 20:15, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Bennylin: Please review the files more carefully. Files like File:Istiqlal Mosque Reciting Al Quran.JPG should be OK. The subject here is the people, not the architecture. Thanks, Yann (talk) 20:17, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think we in Commons should rather err on the side of deletion. I'm just nominating files on the category, with the same deletion criteria as per nom. You may vote to keep, crop, or other things for the files you think should stay, but for every files with potential of breaking the law, there should be at least someone who would vote/vouch for it to be kept. Shouldn't the admin act more promptly on these matter? You pick one or two examples, but there are dozens on my list that are clearly infringing the rights of the architect. I don't know what to make of your hesitation. Bennylin (yes?) 09:11, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We got a notice at Wikivoyage that File:WV banner Indonesian phrasebook - Mosque.jpg had been nominated for deletion. I don't see it anywhere on this page. If it's not nominated for deletion, revert the deletion notice from its page. If it is nominated for deletion, you had better state that plainly and give us time to upload it locally, but the focus of that banner is the people within the space, not really the architecture except to provide a sense of place and an appropriate setting for a phrasebook (not actually currently the Indonesian phrasebook but the Sundanese phrasebook). It's a little irritating to have Wikivoyage pagebanners nominated for deletion just because they're in some category or other, but if you all really decide to delete this pagebanner, we'll host it locally. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:49, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Thanks! Bennylin (yes?) 09:11, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, much appreciated. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:01, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Info the designer of the mosque was architect Fredrich Silaban who died in 1984 as per [1]. Thus, 1984+70 years+1 year (to complete the calendar) = January 1, 2055 (day on which this Silaban artwork falls in public domain). JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 04:00, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep

Mosque is not the subject

If the claim is that the architectural design of the mosque is protected by copyright, then the infringing image would have to at least show that. Many of these (look at File:Secretary Kerry Applauded After Banging Gong at Istiqlal Mosque (12555507775).jpg, File:Secretary Kerry Bids Farewell to Female Students at Istiqlal Mosque (12555993344).jpg) are clearly de minimis and don't show anything of the architectural design.

Then images such as File:COLLECTIE TROPENMUSEUM Het hoofdpostkantoor met op de achtergrond de Istiqlal moskee in aanbouw TMnr 20018028.jpg might record the construction of the mosque, but again they don't infringe upon the design. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:57, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep everything that isn’t solely of the building itself (i.e. everything where there are people or other buildings prominently featured). Indiscriminate bad faith nomination. The quality images should be transferred to Wikipedia so they can still be used. Stop wasting people’s time. Dronebogus (talk) 12:47, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination. Kept various images: DM, or no copyrightable elements visibel. Stamp is PD-IDGov. --P 1 9 9 ✉ 18:26, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]