Commons:Deletion requests/File:Stegosaurus.jpg
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No info on when F. John died, and the image was not published in the US, but Germany. FunkMonk (talk) 14:31, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Keep per [1]: "The artist signed the cards F. John, and not much else can be found today about who that person was. The cards were produced by the Reichardt Kakoa company, which probably gave them away with boxes of cocoa. The illustrations are for the most part colorized versions of the work of earlier published material from books and magazines of the day, and many are based on the work of Charles R. Knight's paintings from the American Museum of Natural History." /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 15:14, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- That doesn't change anything or answer any of the essential questions about origin. It was published in Germany, that's all we know, and at a date where PD 70 might not apply since the author could easily had lived long enough. FunkMonk (talk) 15:18, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- It is just an adaptation of Knight's original. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 15:35, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- There are significant differences. One notable one, apart from posture and shape, is the single row of plates on the bak, instead of two. FunkMonk (talk) 15:58, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- The plates on the tail are the same. So far I only found an engraver F. John who died 1843. But the F. John of the dinosaurs made already in 1890 a nice painting of dodos. The artist seems to have stopped working a century ago. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 18:28, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Charles Knight himself lived until the 1950s, and plenty of his work is from the 1890s, so it doesn't really prove anything. FunkMonk (talk) 18:33, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- A longer life is more likely to leave traces. This John was from Wandsbek (where the cacoa factory was) and his first name was Fritz according to this card. He may have died in WWI, or because of the Spanish flu, or something else. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 19:36, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Or he could had changed business. Who knows? FunkMonk (talk) 19:39, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- A longer life is more likely to leave traces. This John was from Wandsbek (where the cacoa factory was) and his first name was Fritz according to this card. He may have died in WWI, or because of the Spanish flu, or something else. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 19:36, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Charles Knight himself lived until the 1950s, and plenty of his work is from the 1890s, so it doesn't really prove anything. FunkMonk (talk) 18:33, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- The plates on the tail are the same. So far I only found an engraver F. John who died 1843. But the F. John of the dinosaurs made already in 1890 a nice painting of dodos. The artist seems to have stopped working a century ago. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 18:28, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- There are significant differences. One notable one, apart from posture and shape, is the single row of plates on the bak, instead of two. FunkMonk (talk) 15:58, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- It is just an adaptation of Knight's original. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 15:35, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- That doesn't change anything or answer any of the essential questions about origin. It was published in Germany, that's all we know, and at a date where PD 70 might not apply since the author could easily had lived long enough. FunkMonk (talk) 15:18, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep per Pieter Kuiper. This is a pointless discussion.--Sir Anon (talk) 05:51, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- No, it isn't. The image is clearly original enough to be considered non-derivative. FunkMonk (talk) 15:31, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- Keep Nominator has provided no evidence F. John died more recently than 1941. —Angr 18:13, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- Eh, no one has provided evidence of the opposite either. Remember the precautionary principle.[2] FunkMonk (talk) 18:24, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Deleted: Unknown author death date. As we've an author name, we can't apply the PD EU non author disclosure rule like we would do for an anonymous or pseudonymous work. In EU, UK provides a mechanism to enter a picture in public domain if we can prove research about the author weren't successful, but there is no such provision in german law. Dereckson (talk) 14:10, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
