Commons:Deletion requests/File:Gotthold Weil2.jpg

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File:Gotthold_Weil2.jpg

The picture has still copyright on it. It was not known when the picture was uploaded Haimlevy (talk) 09:46, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't make sense: according to Israeli law, the term of copyright for a photograph taken before 2008 expires on 1 January of the 51st year after the creation of the photograph, plain and simple. The photo couldn't have been taken later than 1960 - Mr. Weil's year of death - and hence the term of copyright here expired on 1/1/11, tops. Aviados (talk) 03:13, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete That's true only if the image was first published in Israel. This is an image of him well before his death -- see File:Gotthold Weil.jpg for a later one -- and he apparently emigrated from Germany to Palestine in 1948 -- see Gotthold Weil. This was probably taken before then and first published in Germany, so it will be in copyright until 70 years after the photographer's death.

Therefore, we can keep this only if it can be shown that it was first published in Israel. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 13:30, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong (and that's not what it says on the German article either) - he immigrated to Palestine in 1935 (aged 53).

However, I agree that by the look of it, it is indeed possible that it was taken prior to his immigration.

Could Haimlevy please provide further details regarding the photo (year, place)? Aviados (talk) 21:32, 20 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what is going on here -- at the time I read the article at WP:DE (I say "read" very loosely, as I don't actually read German), it said that he emigrated in 1948. Subsequently Aviados changed the date there to 1935. He did not provide a source for the change. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 11:42, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's quite simple. As I explained in detail in my talk page, you have clearly misread the German article, which (before my edit) stated absolutely nothing about the year of his emigration. "1948", it read there, was the year of Mr. Weil's retirement (and apparently incorrect, as it was in fact 1946). In the edit I made there I added the year of his immigration, 1935.

I didn't add a source following my understanding of the standards of the German Wikipedia for articles of this length, regarding simple facts which can be easily retrieved using, say, Google Books (for instance here or here).

I don't know why you made a statement based on your reading in a language you admit you "don't actually read"... Anyway, I hope I was successful in answering your question. Best, Aviados (talk) 15:03, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies. I read:

"Deshalb emigrierte er nach Palästina und war bis 1948"

and put "emigrierte", "Palästina", and "1948" together incorrectly, as you have pointed out. I still object to the bald "Wrong" above.

We still have the problem of what to do here. I am inclined to delete as it may well have been first published in Germany and unproven equals delete on Commons, but what do you think? Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 15:28, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Right.. I imagined it must have been something of that sort.

Well, I am compelled to agree. I hoped Haimlevy would reply, but since he hasn't revisited here yet, I went now and addressed him in the WP:HE, hoping he would shed more light here. If you ask for my opinion, I would wait a couple of days, and then delete. Aviados (talk) 16:23, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, thanks. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 16:46, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This picture was taken by Alfred Bernheim [1] probably in the late 40's or beginning of the 50's. The archivist in the National Library told me that the rights belongs to the Israel Museum and that's why I deleted it. Haimlevy (talk) 20:13, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake. The picture was taken in the beginning of the 40's. Anyway, as I was told the Israeli Museum has the rights. Haimlevy (talk) 20:39, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Having made one mistake here, rather than just close this as a keep, I'd like to be sure of this -- if it was taken in the early 40s, after he emigrated in 1935, it has to have been taken in the Mandate and the rule is 51 years after creation. Right? Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 23:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Kept Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 23:39, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]